Ordered a pair of the Black Shorts and the Black Shorts plus. Just took a 15 mile ride to try out the regular shorts. It was the most comfortable I have been in the saddle. No I do not have one of those expensive brands. This is a great product. Simple. Comfy. Affordable. Virginia company...always a plus! I didn't have any issue with them riding up on my legs either. Get a pair! For the price...worth a shot.