these have become my daily sock for everything in life, from bikes to trips to the grocery store. Thick enough to have some solid structure and not sag and not so thin that a fall morning has your foot begging for some extra fabric, all while breathing enough for Texas temperatures. This is a sock that is priced right, the quality is punching far above it's weight, and again i can wear these with sneakers head to the office, get home and kit up and be off to my ride. Seriously these socks are a no brainer if you want affordable crispy whites as your daily driver. The height is perfect as well for me at 6'1"